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Mark
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61st Post Sat May 17th, 2008 10:05 pm | |
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| For the record, Hamilton has more than a quarter season of MLB service.....five times more than that, in fact. He played with the Reds, on the big club, in '07.
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62nd Post Sat May 17th, 2008 10:25 pm | |
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Points duly noted.
Score, though was a different situation, and Ankiel.. what a remarkable story his is shaping up to be.....
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63rd Post Sat May 17th, 2008 10:31 pm | |
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Ric wrote: Points duly noted.
Score, though was a different situation, and Ankiel.. what a remarkable story his is shaping up to be.....
Hamilton could be beaned tomorrow like Tony Conigiliaro, who was the same basic situation as Score.
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64th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 10:32 pm | |
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| true... and who was the SS that was never the same? Last edited on Sat May 17th, 2008 10:32 pm by Ric
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65th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 10:33 pm | |
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| oh yeah.. Dickie Thon....
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66th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 10:36 pm | |
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Mark wrote: For the record, Hamilton has more than a quarter season of MLB service.....five times more than that, in fact. He played with the Reds, on the big club, in '07.
For the record, Hamilton has played in 132 games as of this moment with 470 MLB at bats. And we were talking about Rangers records and Josh only has a quarter season in with Texas and a mere 362 HR's to go before catching Juan.
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Mark
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67th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 10:40 pm | |
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The Rangers would not have traded for him if not for what he did with the Reds last season.
I'm not talking about Rangers records. I'm talking about great ballplayers that have played for the Rangers.
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68th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 10:44 pm | |
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LEB wrote: Mark wrote: For the record, Hamilton has more than a quarter season of MLB service.....five times more than that, in fact. He played with the Reds, on the big club, in '07.
For the record, Hamilton has played in 132 games as of this moment with 470 MLB at bats. And we were talking about Rangers records and Josh only has a quarter season in with Texas and a mere 362 HR's to go before catching Juan.
Too bad Josh won't have the same 'help' available to him as Juan did.
Hey, you know I've defended the records as they stand. Bonds is currently the HR King... till A-Rod passes him... but I have lost lots of respect for the guys that broke records in the dteroids era.
I'd much rather throw my support to the Josh Hamiltons of the world.
To me, there is no comparison between he and Juan Gonzales, Hamilton, hands down, in my book.
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LEB
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69th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 10:52 pm | |
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Mark wrote: The Rangers would not have traded for him if not for what he did with the Reds last season.
I'm not talking about Rangers records. I'm talking about great ballplayers that have played for the Rangers.
Okay, but I think it's unfair to compare Hamilton with ARod or Juan at this moment. They're proven stars and one will be in the Hall of Fame. Josh has ability and looks sensational so far but IMO, he has a long way to go before we can compare with these greats.
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70th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 11:26 pm | |
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LEB wrote: Mark wrote: For the record, Hamilton has more than a quarter season of MLB service.....five times more than that, in fact. He played with the Reds, on the big club, in '07.
For the record, Hamilton has played in 132 games as of this moment with 470 MLB at bats. And we were talking about Rangers records and Josh only has a quarter season in with Texas and a mere 362 HR's to go before catching Juan.
FWIW, in Juan's first 695 at bats, he had 32 HRs and 122 RBI. In Josh's 470 at bats, he has 29 HRs and 96 RBI.
Juan does have one more playoff victory than Josh, though. Juan hit well in the first playoff series, but had 3 hits and 1 RBI (a solo homer) in the other two series.
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71st Post Sun May 18th, 2008 12:00 am | |
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jellowrestling wrote: LEB wrote: Mark wrote: For the record, Hamilton has more than a quarter season of MLB service.....five times more than that, in fact. He played with the Reds, on the big club, in '07.
For the record, Hamilton has played in 132 games as of this moment with 470 MLB at bats. And we were talking about Rangers records and Josh only has a quarter season in with Texas and a mere 362 HR's to go before catching Juan.
FWIW, in Juan's first 695 at bats, he had 32 HRs and 122 RBI. In Josh's 470 at bats, he has 29 HRs and 96 RBI.
Juan does have one more playoff victory than Josh, though. Juan hit well in the first playoff series, but had 3 hits and 1 RBI (a solo homer) in the other two series.
But Juan proved he was a great hitter over a number of years. Josh may destroy all of Gonzales's records but even if he averages 40 homers a year the next nine years, he'll still be short of Juan's team record.
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72nd Post Sun May 18th, 2008 04:18 am | |
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which, of course, is a tainted record in most fan's eyes...
I agree with what you are saying, though... 'roids certainly don't help you hit a curveball......
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73rd Post Sun May 18th, 2008 02:28 pm | |
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| Hamilton sure looks pumped up as well. He took other drugs, why not rhoids?
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74th Post Sun May 18th, 2008 03:10 pm | |
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Ric wrote: which, of course, is a tainted record in most fan's eyes...
I agree with what you are saying, though... 'roids certainly don't help you hit a curveball......
Actually, they can.
When you're 27, your muscles recuperate pretty quickly. But let's say you're 37. Now you're just a tick off. Your recognition is still there, but you can't react and adjust. Your bat speed drops just enough, and you can't move your hands inside the zone as quickly. You have to guess right more often, and can't always get good wood on it. And then you get ahold of something that can re-tighten your spring. It isn't necessarily about bulk.
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75th Post Sun May 18th, 2008 03:27 pm | |
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| Hamilton left the game last night early, and I think is going to take off today due to "exhaustion". He had a day off three days ago (Thursday) and he just turned 27 four days ago, does that raise any warning flags for anyone? Or do you think it is legitimate and he really is exhausted? TAG made the comment last night he thought "tuckerd out" was a better description. He said them using the word exhausted worried him a little.
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76th Post Sun May 18th, 2008 03:36 pm | |
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Mark wrote: jellowrestling wrote: LEB wrote: If I had to choose between a guy who averaged 40+HR over seven years and a recovering drug addict who doesn't have 40HR for his career.....I gotta pick Juan.
Juan was a mediocre defensive player, and a big jerk. That being said, Juan was a good player, but Hamilton does it all. I don't consider myself one to jump on the bandwagon at the first sign of something good, but Hamilton is simply amazing, and he makes it look easy, too.
BTW, I didn't see the game, but he was 5 for 5 tonight (and a walk). 2 homers and a triple.
Assuming similar talent levels, I'll take the recovering junkie over Juan's complacency every time......
Hamilton understands that he is a junkie, and he is doing what he has to do to deal with it. He even lets his babysitter carry his meal money on the road.
Juan Gonzalez was typical of many latin American ballplayers that viewed reaching the major leagues as the finish line. He didn't work on improving his game and didn't appear to care about the team.
Having said all of that, I must agree that Hamilton is the more talented player. He does everything exceptionally well, not just hit homeruns. My understanding is that the Reds players resented Hamilton and didn't treat him well. WTF were they thinking? Maybe that's one of the reasons the team was willing to trade him. Their loss is our gain. Hamilton was the number one overall pick in the draft for a reason.
Here's a question: How scary would the DRays be right now if they hadn't let Hamilton go for nothing?
Agree 100%. I didn't know about the apparent resentment. I remember in spring training Jim Reeves did a story about why Cincinnati was willing to trade Hamilton (this after Josh had been making jaws drop in Arizona for a couple of weeks). It seems Reeves found out that the Reds mindset was to go for it this season and the really needed another starter, hence the interest (and boy were they right) in Volquez. But the main reason they traded him was that they had Jay Bruce, who they feel will be just as good as Hamilton.
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77th Post Sun May 18th, 2008 03:41 pm | |
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e left early because he said he had been hurting since the first inning of THE DAY BEFORE, after diving to attempt a catch.
Washington said that it was general soreness, and that it was nothing to worry about.
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78th Post Sun May 18th, 2008 03:47 pm | |
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| One thing Josh will have to face in his career that Juan did not, is these Sabermetricians, and their technology. I think we are just starting to see some of their work showing up in the performances of some of these Pitchers. But nothing, like it will be in the not to distant future. Baseball has always been a statistics game, but with the advances now, Pitchers and their Managers and Coaches, are going to have instant access, to what kind of pitch to pitch Josh, and every other hitter, on a cloudy, day game, with the wind blowing out of the S.E. at 14 mph, in whichever ballpark they are in, and whichever inning they are in, and how many outs, and whose on base, and whose on deck, and what he had on his sandwich for lunch, and how many blonds are sitting on the fourth row in section 109.
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79th Post Sun May 18th, 2008 03:57 pm | |
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LEB wrote: Hamilton sure looks pumped up as well. He took other drugs, why not rhoids?
Are you serious?????
Roids don't have a long lasting positive affect (i.e. four years down the road)...just look at Pudge when he quit taking them and how small he became...
Hamilton is the most drug tested individual in baseball...three times a week...
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80th Post Sun May 18th, 2008 04:57 pm | |
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| incredible to even suggest that....
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