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Robert
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1st Post Fri May 16th, 2008 02:04 am | |
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Well, I figured out why there is so much wind in west Texas. It's all those big white fans they put up on the hills.  Last edited on Fri May 16th, 2008 02:06 am by Robert
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tennis gal
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2nd Post Fri May 16th, 2008 02:07 am | |
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My dad has been approached to lease his land for windmills and generators. Apparently it's the big deal out there.
Now if they could just figure out a market for all the dirt....
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Robert
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3rd Post Fri May 16th, 2008 02:11 am | |
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| I would jump on that if I were him. That is if what I have heard is true, it pays very well. Up to $5000 a year per windmill.
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tennis gal
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4th Post Fri May 16th, 2008 02:24 am | |
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| I don't know.....I haven't seen the paperwork myself, but he's not inclined to do it. He thinks they only want the access on his farms to cut the roads and that will ruin the farmland. He says they dont make any money unless an actual generator is put on your farm. I don't know....he seems to be the last holdout in the whole area. But that's kind of typical of him! LOL!
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dublusk
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5th Post Fri May 16th, 2008 02:24 am | |
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| It's cause New Mexico sucks!!!!
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Robert
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6th Post Fri May 16th, 2008 04:20 am | |
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He says they dont make any money unless an actual generator is put on your farm.
That would be correct, but if they don't put in the fans, they won't be using the roads. There would seem to be no reason to put in roads unless they were going to put in fans?
There are some people out here really cashing in
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Robert
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7th Post Fri May 16th, 2008 04:21 am | |
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Another side note, we got oil thieves. They are driving out to the wells and loading up, and driving off.
The FBI has been called in.
Guess that was inevitable since oil is ove $100 a barrell.
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Kevin McCarthy
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8th Post Fri May 16th, 2008 04:40 am | |
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when boone pickens puts his money where the wind is, i listen:
By ELIZABETH SOUDER / The Dallas Morning News
esouder@dallasnews.com
T. Boone Pickens has placed a massive order for wind turbines with General Electric, a big step toward building the world's largest wind farm in the Panhandle.
Mr. Pickens' company, Mesa Power LLP, plans to announce today that it ordered 667 turbines from GE for about $2 billion.
That will produce 1,000 megawatts of power, more than the average nuclear power plant, and enough juice to light 300,000 homes.
And it's just a quarter of the turbines that the legendary oilman plans to erect near his ranch in Pampa.
By 2014, Mr. Pickens wants to have 4,000 megawatts of windmills turning in a $10 billion to $12 billion project.
"We want to make Pampa the wind capital of the world," Mr. Pickens said. He's leased land in Carson, Gray, Hemphill, Roberts and Wheeler counties for the project.
But he faces one knotty problem: Moving the power from the rural Panhandle to populous North Texas.
Mr. Pickens has a novel solution.
Texas has more wind power than any other state, with 6,903 megawatts. But wind capacity has grown faster than the transmission lines to accommodate the power.
The Public Utility Commission is in the process of ordering transmission lines to accommodate new wind power. Commissioners could designate a line to Pampa, even though the wind farm would sit outside of the Texas grid, operated by the Electric Reliability Council of Texas.
If they don't, Mr. Pickens said, he'll just build his own private transmission line.
That could rock the traditional regulatory framework of a grid paid for by all power users and extend Texas' experiment in deregulation to a whole new side of the industry.
The PUC developed scenarios for new lines that could cost between $3 billion and $6.4 billion, depending on how much power the lines would carry.
Those power lines would be built by electric delivery companies. The companies would then apply to the PUC to pass along the cost directly to electricity consumers as a fee on their utility bills.
But if necessary, Mr. Pickens is willing to eat that cost to build his wind farm.
Building the transmission line would cost Mesa about $2 billion, said his lawyer, Bobby Stillwell.
"It's not common. Most people want to have them rate-based, and that adds to your financial returns. But it's not absolutely necessary for the success of the project," Mr. Stillwell said.
PUC spokesman Terry Hadley said the commission's role isn't clear in the case of a private transmission line. He said the PUC would have to at least approve the new line.
Mr. Stillwell said he expects Mesa will end up building a portion of the line, and rely on ratepayers for the rest.
"He's doing something that we never thought about," said Steve Wolens, a former Texas legislator who wrote the laws that allowed wholesale and retail power companies to set their own rates but left power lines regulated.
"He's going beyond maintaining a monopoly of the wires. Very interesting.
"It makes regulators and legislators rethink the system," said Mr. Wolens, a partner in the Dallas office of law firm Diamond McCarthy.
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BigTex
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9th Post Fri May 16th, 2008 11:01 am | |
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| Thw windmill farm south of Abilene is quite a sight.
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Zephyr
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10th Post Fri May 16th, 2008 01:25 pm | |
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dublusk wrote: It's cause New Mexico sucks!!!!
Grandpa, a very wise man, always said "If those folks in Oklahoma could suck as hard as they blow, we'd have beachfront property in Corsicana."
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11th Post Fri May 16th, 2008 09:34 pm | |
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Zephyr wrote: dublusk wrote: It's cause New Mexico sucks!!!!
Grandpa, a very wise man, always said "If those folks in Oklahoma could suck as hard as they blow, we'd have beachfront property in Corsicana." I guess the fruit does drop far from the tree...................
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12th Post Fri May 16th, 2008 09:34 pm | |
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| better go along or they will just devalue the property, take it over at a low price, and pay that lower price. maybe he can cut a deal for a free hook-up. bet Arkansas Jones will figure a way to put a windmill on the top of the new Cowboys stadium.
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13th Post Fri May 16th, 2008 09:46 pm | |
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houston wrote: bet Arkansas Jones will figure a way to put a windmill on the top of the new Cowboys stadium.
I thought the owner's suite was already the source of hot wind...
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Robert
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14th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 12:32 am | |
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plans to announce today that it ordered 667 turbines from GE for about $2 billion.
That will produce 1,000 megawatts of power, more than the average nuclear power plant, and enough juice to light 300,000 homes.
I'm only guessing but Id say in the area from Post to Merkel to Odessa, there already is ~ 3 or 4 thousand of them. A bunch south of Abaline too.
There is at least 1000 just north of Roscoe before you get to Post.
The folks in Alpine tell me they are comming there too.
If 650 of them powers 300,000 homes we are already powering a couple of million homes.
There is plenty of wind out there and plenty of energy to be tapped. It's just like an oil field that doesn't run out. Tom Gray, AWEA
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The U.S. wind energy industry installed 1,400 megawatts (MW) of new wind power capacity during the first quarter of 2008, according to the American Wind Energy Association (AWEA). With more than 4,000 MW of additional wind power capacity now under construction, the industry is on pace to meet or exceed last year's record installed capacity of over 5,250 MW. More than half of the new capacity was built in Texas.
As of April 2008, Texas continues to lead the states in terms of both total installed wind power capacity and the amount of new wind power capacity that was installed last year. Texas holds the record for the world's largest wind farm, Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center. In addition, the Sweetwater, Texas, wind plant more than doubled in capacity to 585 megawatts, pushing it from fifth to second place in the size rankings, while the state's Buffalo Gap wind facility expanded to 353 megawatts, placing it in fifth place for size. The recently completed 364-megawatt Capricorn Ridge wind facility, also in Texas, landed in fourth place. The largest new Texas facility is the 209-MW Roscoe Wind Farm, located about 50 miles west of Abilene.
In Texas the demand for additional wind power has grown so rapidly that the Texas electric transmission grid has a critical need for expansion. In July 2007, the Texas Public Utility Commission announced its approval for additional transmission lines that could deliver as much as 25,000 megawatts of wind energy from remote areas in the state to urban centers by 2012, depending on how many wind farms are built. New transmission infrastructure will allow all Texans to access the the state's vast wind resources.
http://www.seco.cpa.state.tx.us/re_wind.htmLast edited on Sat May 17th, 2008 12:37 am by Robert
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Kevin McCarthy
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15th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 12:37 am | |
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| zephyr pm'd me to ask if we were using wind power would our lights get really bright during a storm instead of going out....
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Robert
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16th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 12:41 am | |
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| Zepher has lights? I think he is pulling your leg. Next he will be claiming he has an in door toilet too. Last edited on Sat May 17th, 2008 12:42 am by Robert
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17th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 12:42 am | |
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| Robert, thanks for all this info. I'm bookmarking it....will show it to my dad and stepmom.
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LEB
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18th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 12:42 am | |
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Wind in Texas? 
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Zephyr
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19th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 01:10 am | |
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Kevin McCarthy wrote: zephyr pm'd me to ask if we were using wind power would our lights get really bright during a storm instead of going out.... This is why I've never understood solar power. You can't use your lights at night when you need them the most.
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Robert
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20th Post Sat May 17th, 2008 03:10 am | |
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| you got a problem with wind power to. The wind dies down during peak usage hours. Like right after the sun goes down.
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