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hydrogen hydroxide
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21st Post Fri Jul 25th, 2008 01:45 pm | |
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SpaceCowboy wrote: Obama should be tarred and feathered....to go to Germany...acting like a retard...and giving a speech where he bashes America...what a f#$$$# loser
He did not bash America.
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Scarlett~NC
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22nd Post Fri Jul 25th, 2008 03:30 pm | |
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| he's an elitist, snob, arrogant sob . Campaigning for World President ..he who has no experience in anything but campaigning
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fortyrod
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23rd Post Fri Jul 25th, 2008 03:50 pm | |
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| Germany if chock full of Muslim Turk Guest Workers – that’s why. Borat Obama knew he would get a big turn out.
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Stoli
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24th Post Fri Jul 25th, 2008 03:53 pm | |
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| because Germans already fell for it once
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Kent
or is it really?
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25th Post Fri Jul 25th, 2008 03:53 pm | |
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hydrogen hydroxide wrote: OK, how do you see the US regaining a place of honor and dignity today?
Never will happen.... jealousy is a very bad trait.
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hydrogen hydroxide
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26th Post Fri Jul 25th, 2008 10:09 pm | |
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Kent wrote: hydrogen hydroxide wrote: OK, how do you see the US regaining a place of honor and dignity today?
Never will happen.... jealousy is a very bad trait.
This is lame.
Or are you saying that back in the 50's when everybody loved us that nobody was jealous of us, so now that everybody hates us they all are suddenly jealous?
Seems like kind of a hard case to make.
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Roders
God, Family, and GB Packers
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27th Post Fri Jul 25th, 2008 11:17 pm | |
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H2H the real question is why should we care about the socialist euros?
The US shed blood and gave treasure to liberate europe twice from the very country where he gave the speech. Germany and France did not support our efforts against Iraq because of their own selfish interests in oil for food and selling prohibited stuff to Saddam.
As far as I am concerned they are the ones who have some splaining to do!
There is way way to much multilateralism being emphasized by B.O., when is the last time their coveted UN did something good?
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Lionel Fan
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28th Post Fri Jul 25th, 2008 11:19 pm | |
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| He thinks he is a black JFK
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Roders
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29th Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 03:34 am | |
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I did not take it like B.O. was bashing america.
B.O. Has a very different vision of america than a lot of us conservatives, he is big on the liberal citizen of the world thing. I on the other hand am first and formost a citizen of the US.
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Kevin McCarthy
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30th Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 04:07 am | |
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Lionel Fan wrote: He thinks he is a black JFK
yes, he does...but jfk was a hawk---not a dove....
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BigTex
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31st Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 04:29 am | |
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| Riding in a patrol destroyer didn't make JFK qualified to be president, either.
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Robert
Custom made bra fitter
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32nd Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 05:16 am | |
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Bob Of Burleson wrote: Republicans are in real danger of overstating their case against Obama and unintentionally hurting their candidate's chances.
What has been said that is not true?
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jellowrestling
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33rd Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 07:25 am | |
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dublusk wrote: He did it in Germany cause Europe loves socialists!
Yep.
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hydrogen hydroxide
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34th Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 12:55 pm | |
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Roders wrote: H2H the real question is why should we care about the socialist euros?
The US shed blood and gave treasure to liberate europe twice from the very country where he gave the speech. Germany and France did not support our efforts against Iraq because of their own selfish interests in oil for food and selling prohibited stuff to Saddam.
As far as I am concerned they are the ones who have some splaining to do!
There is way way to much multilateralism being emphasized by B.O., when is the last time their coveted UN did something good?
As oil and fresh water become more scarce the world will become an increasingly tough and dangerous place. China is building a giant navy as we type and our navy is shrinking (but still technically superior to all).
The need to protect and maintain shipping lanes will be paramount. I doubt anyone thinks the US can keep the keep on the high seas all by ourselves. Big users of oil will tend to destabilize the whole 'grid.' The needs will only grow in Brazil, Argentina, India, Japan, Australia, China, and the US. A look at the map will show how critical shipping lanes are.
We need strong and strategically placed allies. The best bets would be historic allies -- ones with some shared goals and familiarity -- that can serve as power bases. Thus we have to have strong ties with Japan and, maybe Brazil/Argentina. Maybe we could solidify India and Australia. The big hole is Europe. Oil now, fresh water later, we've got to shore things up before China and Russia start picking them off. That's just one reason among many. We simply NEED Europe.
I think we are down to some 600 warships. No one comes near us even then, but what happens when other navies begin to ally with China?
I strongly disagree with the position that France and Germany selfishly went their own way after Sept 11. I think it's obvious that they didn't trust our misbehaver in chief. We squandered an opportunity to get the world engaged in a real war on terror when we needlessly alienated out natural friends.
So what to do? Go our own way, which we cannot afford; or strengthen alliances that have been crucial in the past?
Seems obvious that we start with, as you put it, the 'euros.' No other choice. I we share control of the northern Atlantic, we can build out from there. It's going to happen.
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dublusk
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35th Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 01:03 pm | |
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hydrogen hydroxide wrote: Roders wrote: H2H the real question is why should we care about the socialist euros?
The US shed blood and gave treasure to liberate europe twice from the very country where he gave the speech. Germany and France did not support our efforts against Iraq because of their own selfish interests in oil for food and selling prohibited stuff to Saddam.
As far as I am concerned they are the ones who have some splaining to do!
There is way way to much multilateralism being emphasized by B.O., when is the last time their coveted UN did something good?
As oil and fresh water become more scarce the world will become an increasingly tough and dangerous place. China is building a giant navy as we type and our navy is shrinking (but still technically superior to all).
The need to protect and maintain shipping lanes will be paramount. I doubt anyone thinks the US can keep the keep on the high seas all by ourselves. Big users of oil will tend to destabilize the whole 'grid.' The needs will only grow in Brazil, Argentina, India, Japan, Australia, China, and the US. A look at the map will show how critical shipping lanes are.
We need strong and strategically placed allies. The best bets would be historic allies -- ones with some shared goals and familiarity -- that can serve as power bases. Thus we have to have strong ties with Japan and, maybe Brazil/Argentina. Maybe we could solidify India and Australia. The big hole is Europe. Oil now, fresh water later, we've got to shore things up before China and Russia start picking them off. That's just one reason among many. We simply NEED Europe.
I think we are down to some 600 warships. No one comes near us even then, but what happens when other navies begin to ally with China?
I strongly disagree with the position that France and Germany selfishly went their own way after Sept 11. I think it's obvious that they didn't trust our misbehaver in chief. We squandered an opportunity to get the world engaged in a real war on terror when we needlessly alienated out natural friends.
So what to do? Go our own way, which we cannot afford; or strengthen alliances that have been crucial in the past?
Seems obvious that we start with, as you put it, the 'euros.' No other choice. I we share control of the northern Atlantic, we can build out from there. It's going to happen.
Right, we save their bacon repeatedly and we should kiss their ass! More liberal crap!!!
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36th Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 01:05 pm | |
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| Germany abstained as usual..but France sided with Saddam and did it for money..a shameful act..no other way to put it and be honest
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hydrogen hydroxide
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37th Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 01:11 pm | |
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Roders wrote: H2H the real question is why should we care about the socialist euros?
The US shed blood and gave treasure to liberate europe twice from the very country where he gave the speech. Germany and France did not support our efforts against Iraq because of their own selfish interests in oil for food and selling prohibited stuff to Saddam.
As far as I am concerned they are the ones who have some splaining to do!
There is way way to much multilateralism being emphasized by B.O., when is the last time their coveted UN did something good?
Another thing we should be watching: France has begun moving effectively against immigrant inspired divisiveness. France has set the precedent that immigrants must conform to certain basics of the culture before they can become citizens. And before they can turn traditional culture inside out.
Belgium has moved in a parallel way making it difficult to enter the country, more difficult to stay and with written material on what is now acceptable in that culture and if newcomers don't like it: bye, bye.
A crisis has arrived and which will become only more intense and active. While I believe it's completely off the wall to talk about 'bombing' any country into a parking lot; it is sheer lunacy to permit outsiders to have leverage over the populations they have sought to adopt.
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38th Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 01:23 pm | |
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Kevin McCarthy wrote: Lionel Fan wrote: He thinks he is a black JFK
yes, he does...but jfk was a hawk---not a dove....
Yes, but JFK was not a chicken hawk.
He was not a hawk in the Doug Feith sense either.
And we don't really know what kind of hawk Obama might become. It's one thing to have a preferred position -- but then things change and one can't rely on one's preferences to manage the new situation.
There was nothing wrong with Chamberlain that an ability to adjust to changing reality would have helped. We are no better off with a McCain who is incapable of adjusting one way over an Obama who can't adjust the other.
McCain, because he seems inflexible in unpredictable ways, seems a greater unknown to me than Obama.
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39th Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 01:30 pm | |
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Catching Wild Pigs
A chemistry professor in a large college had some
exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in
the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who
kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt.
The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The
student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been
shot while fighting communists in his native country who were
trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new
communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and
asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch
wild pigs?'
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch
line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs
by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the
ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the
free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a
fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming.
When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn
again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to
that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all
four sides of the fence up with a gate in The last side. The
pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the
gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.
Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run
around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon
they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it
that they have forgotten how to forage in the wood s for
themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what
he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us
toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the
form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for
unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments
not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we
continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.
One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free
lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you
cheaper than you can do it yourself.
In this 'very important' election year, listen closely to
what the candidates are promising you !!
Just maybe you will be able to tell who is about to slam
the gate on America .
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40th Post Sat Jul 26th, 2008 01:37 pm | |
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hydrogen hydroxide wrote: Kevin McCarthy wrote: Lionel Fan wrote: He thinks he is a black JFK
yes, he does...but jfk was a hawk---not a dove....
Yes, but JFK was not a chicken hawk.
He was not a hawk in the Doug Feith sense either.
And we don't really know what kind of hawk Obama might become. It's one thing to have a preferred position -- but then things change and one can't rely on one's preferences to manage the new situation.
There was nothing wrong with Chamberlain that an ability to adjust to changing reality would have helped. We are no better off with a McCain who is incapable of adjusting one way over an Obama who can't adjust the other.
McCain, because he seems inflexible in unpredictable ways, seems a greater unknown to me than Obama.
So Obama is good because he might become a hawk and Chamberlain did a good job?!?!?! What color is the sky in your world?
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