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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 09:08 pm |
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chronos
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it seems as though white wants to give the local voters the option to raise a special tax rate for their local roads or they can be toll roads....which means you end up with toll roads because you'll never get enough people to vote in a special tax.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 09:17 pm |
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RaisinCain wrote: Toll roads are not mandatory; if you don't want to use them take another route.
Money to build these roads has got to come from somewhere; Texas is growing faster than the rate at which it recovers fuel taxes from the federal government. If you don't want toll roads, where do you suggest we get the money to build free roads? Do you suggest that White will somehow make this problem of too-few roads go away? What is Whites plan?
I hate toll roads but can understand them in certain limited situation. However DFW is putting them everywhere.
Don't toll roads still receive some funding from gas tax? It isn't all tolls.
What I hate even more is what they are doing in Houston, the tolls vary due to road conditions, the more congested, ie rush hour, the more the toll. That is just wrong. Toll roads should be used to alleviate congestion not a revenue enhancement toll. i would rather tolls be less during rush hour. Get cars off the side streets and improve their flow.
This will be an unpopular opinioin, but I would rather see an increase in the gas tax to pay for road construction.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 09:18 pm |
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MichaelH wrote: RaisinCain wrote: Toll roads are not mandatory; if you don't want to use them take another route.
Money to build these roads has got to come from somewhere; Texas is growing faster than the rate at which it recovers fuel taxes from the federal government. If you don't want toll roads, where do you suggest we get the money to build free roads? Do you suggest that White will somehow make this problem of too-few roads go away? What is Whites plan?
I hate toll roads but can understand them in certain limited situation. However DFW is putting them everywhere.
Don't toll roads still receive some funding from gas tax? It isn't all tolls.
What I hate even more is what they are doing in Houston, the tolls vary due to road conditions, the more congested, ie rush hour, the more the toll. That is just wrong. Toll roads should be used to alleviate congestion not a revenue enhancement toll. i would rather tolls be less during rush hour. Get cars off the side streets and improve their flow.
This will be an unpopular opinioin, but I would rather see an increase in the gas tax to pay for road construction.
I'd go with an increase in fuel taxes as well.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 09:33 pm |
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chronos
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would you be willing to pay an extra dollar per gallon in tax to avoid new toll roads?
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 09:54 pm |
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Mark In NRH
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chronos wrote: would you be willing to pay an extra dollar per gallon in tax to avoid new toll roads?
Dunno. Depends upon how much it would actually take to avoid new toll roads.
I think your $1 levy is probably quite a bit more than would be needed.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 09:58 pm |
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Mark In NRH wrote: I drove to St. Joseph MO and back this weekend. It cost me $45 dollars in tolls just to cross Kansas 2x.....on I35 no less. That kinda burned my biscuits. You cruise I35 in Texas and OK but when you hit Kansas, it becomes a toll road. How do you justify levying a toll for driving on a taxpayer funded interstate?
it's the same for I-44 in OK between OKC & The MO border. 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 10:20 pm |
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Mark In NRH wrote: chronos wrote: would you be willing to pay an extra dollar per gallon in tax to avoid new toll roads?
Dunno. Depends upon how much it would actually take to avoid new toll roads.
I think your $1 levy is probably quite a bit more than would be needed.
I'd pay more.
Actually, I'd rather see a floating tax rate. Set the price of a gallon of gas to $3.00. Modify the tax rate to keep it there. Increase of where it is today. Gets the revenue. Promotes alternative sources of engery. When the real price of gas goes up, lower the tax rate.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 11:04 pm |
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I read all of the PROS responses, but I still hate them. What happens is they come in and take the PRIME routes and then charge for them. For those that can't or don't like to take them, you get the left over side streets, and some of the side streets, and speed limits, are controlled by the people who own the toll roads. They make it so bad that you take the toll road to escape the crap they made for you.
I have never taken or paid to use the BUSH TURNPIKE, the only toll road I have paid to use was the Dallas NOrth, But I dont take it on my own. The last time I took it I was in a group and the leader took it and I followed. I just hate to be TAXED for driving some where.
I have been all over the NOrth east, paid tolls there, and Especially Chicago where you can't go any where with out it cost you plenty.
Nope I still hate it and will work against them.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 11:26 pm |
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librarylady wrote: Raisin:
from the article, since you didn't keep reading:
In the end, what might make for the biggest difference between White and Perry is an issue they both say they favor: giving local officials and planning authorities more control over how – and where – the state spends its transportation dollars.
The governor argued that he has pushed authority to the local and regional level throughout his tenure. Decisions about which projects are funded, he said, "are made from the local level up. What we have today is the very essence of an agency that solves local issues based on local input."
For most highway spending in Texas, he's right.
But that's not true with every dollar, as the commissioners still steer so-called discretionary money to the projects they favor.
White said he would push local control further than Perry has. He wants more of the money collected in taxes, or bond proceeds, to be divided up by formula, and then sent to regional planning groups like the RTC – cutting out the commissioners he would appoint should he become governor.
He declined to detail what discretion would be left to the commission, saying he wants to work out a compromise with lawmakers before committing himself.
But Perry said White needn't look far for a workable solution.
"I think the balance is right there, basically what we have," he said.
I read it; there was just nothing there of substance and I didn't want to copy\paste the entire article. But since you bring it up, look at what I've underlined above. This is typical political doublespeak; he doesn't want to commit to anything and leaves himself a boatload of outs by being able to blame any potential problematic situations on others. "Oh, I wanted to work out a compromise but ______________ wouldn't work with me".
What he DOES commit to is raising taxes ("He (White) wants more of the money collected in taxes...") and dividing them by some vague, unexplained formula. Why not publish at least an outline of this formula so that the voters can decide if they like it or not?
I would rather know a persons positions on an issue before I vote for him; just saying he wants to compromise with someone down the road gives me no information. Which of course is precisely what he wants' to do; sound good on the sound bites, but commit to nothing.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 11:32 pm |
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librarylady
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This is typical political doublespeak; he doesn't want to commit to anything and leaves himself a boatload of outs by being able to blame any potential problematic situations on others. I agree with you on this.
One difference, he SAYS he would let local decisions guide what goes toll and what doesn't. ..............That was not the case with 121, as I recall.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25th, 2010 11:32 pm |
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librarylady
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This is typical political doublespeak; he doesn't want to commit to anything and leaves himself a boatload of outs by being able to blame any potential problematic situations on others. I agree with you on this.
One difference, he SAYS he would let local decisions guide what goes toll and what doesn't. ..............That was not the case with 121, as I recall.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26th, 2010 02:39 pm |
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John in Plano
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White didn't commit to "raising taxes" ....he wants more of the taxes collected to be controled at the local level.
More local control than MrGoodHairEmptySuit and his commissioners do.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26th, 2010 03:25 pm |
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John in Plano wrote: White didn't commit to "raising taxes" ....he wants more of the taxes collected to be controled at the local level.
More local control than MrGoodHairEmptySuit and his commissioners do.
I take your point.
Having said that, don't you agree that we need to know more about this "formula" that White would use for a voter to evaluate whether or not he\she agrees with it? Any time a politician doesn't want to unveil his "secret formula" for making everything work, he either (a) doesn't have a plan or (b) doesn't want to tell you what it is because someone is not going to like it.
For the record, I am not a Perry hack. I will vote for him, but I am not a hard-core supporter. I would love to see another republican who I think would do more for the state run against him in the next primary (or see Perry retire), but as long as he is the incumbent I don't know how realistic this is. Probably not very.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26th, 2010 03:48 pm |
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chronos
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at .25 cents a gallon extra tax I would end up paying an additional $37.50 a month in tax
I only spend about 20 dollars a month in tolls now...so ......
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26th, 2010 03:49 pm |
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RaisinCain wrote: Having said that, don't you agree that we need to know more about this "formula" that White would use for a voter to evaluate whether or not heshe agrees with it? Any time a politician doesn't want to unveil his "secret formula" for making everything work, he either (a) doesn't have a plan or (b) doesn't want to tell you what it is because someone is not going to like it.
Does the name John Kerry ring a bell?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26th, 2010 03:51 pm |
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John in Plano
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RaisinCain wrote: John in Plano wrote: White didn't commit to "raising taxes" ....he wants more of the taxes collected to be controled at the local level.
More local control than MrGoodHairEmptySuit and his commissioners do.
I take your point.
Having said that, don't you agree that we need to know more about this "formula" that White would use for a voter to evaluate whether or not heshe agrees with it? Any time a politician doesn't want to unveil his "secret formula" for making everything work, he either (a) doesn't have a plan or (b) doesn't want to tell you what it is because someone is not going to like it.
For the record, I am not a Perry hack. I will vote for him, but I am not a hard-core supporter. I would love to see another republican who I think would do more for the state run against him in the next primary (or see Perry retire), but as long as he is the incumbent I don't know how realistic this is. Probably not very.
I'd like to know what Whites plan is, and I'd like to know why Perry used a few tax returns as an excuse to dodge debating White. I'm thinking Perry figured he had way to much to lose and not enough to gain by exposing himself to a debate. Unfortunately neither will happen before election day. So we're stuck with the same old same old Perry or the unknown of White.
Perry will not get my vote, still don't know if White will.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27th, 2010 11:38 pm |
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John in Plano
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Why is 25% of the net motor fuels tax collect by Texas is spent on public schools, instead of roads/bridges/etc. ?
We already lose about 30% of fed fuel taxes to Uncle Sam, I expected better money management by Austin.
They already circumvented the will of the people by changing the lotto $$$ stream to education ( it was voted in for general revenue) its insane to steal from the gas tax also.
http://www.window.state.tx.us/comptrol/fnotes/fn1005/road.html
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